L5R Official Fiction: A Moment's Hesitation

[CrimsonEyes]

My point was meant to be, you suggested the idea of 'let's all play Spider and get rid of the Spider clan'. Whether or not the idea took hold, the point of it would be to get rid of the Spider Clan. So it didn't carry, and that's all well and good. But to then turn around and say 'we killed Paneki so no other clan had to lose a champion', when Daigotsu was the only other logical contender to die by that vote (we can leave out Crab, Phoenix, Dragon, Lion from that totally, they're mostly inoffensive/haven't done anything to really rub anyone the wrong way recently. Daigotsu and Paneki were the two main contenders. Unicorn would be if it was still Chags, but Chen's pretty well respected, so that leaves them out. Mantis and Crane have their fair share of detractors, but nowhere in near the numbers that Spider/Shadowlands and Scorpion do, so, essentially, barring something wacky, it was a two-horse race) seems a little odd, given that the Scorpion playerbase seems to dislike the Spider clan in story (as well they should). So you have a chance to wipe out Daigotsu, and instead, some of you vote to kill your own champion? Seems odd. My point with it all was just to say I didn't see the logic in your thinking, to on the one hand suggest an idea that would hinder the Spider clan effort in the Mega-Game, and potentially wipe them out in the Story, and then turn around and do them a GIANT favor by getting Paneki killed instead of Daigotsu. It's not logical, to me.

If Daigotsu had carried the vote, I'd have been upset (I dislike 'unpopularity contests' in general, even though Daigotsu dodged a bullet here, I think the vote was a poor idea in general), but I was assuming he was going to be the runaway favorite from the moment I read about it. If you had rallied the troops and gotten him killed, I'd be complaining right now about the general lameness of unpopularity contests, not your actions. You rallying the troops to get Daigotsu killed would have been exactly what you should have done, given the system. I believe the phrase is 'don't hate the player, hate the game'.

Also, wasn't the 'we didn't think he'd come back as an undead abomination shaming our clan' your lot's rallying cry as to why you didn't like this result? Heck, you say as much yourself here earlier in the thread:

What we WEREN'T told was 'He's not going to die, he's going to come back as an uber zombie as yet ANOTHER in a long list of Scorpion screw ups'.

but now, in your post right above me, you're saying Daigotsu coming back as a zombie is why you weren't voting for him to die? Which is it, cause you can't have it both ways. Either you didn't know Paneki was going to come back as an uber-zombie and thus, this result is lame, or you did, and that was a reason you didn't vote for Daigotsu. Sure, in hindsight, it's a great reason not to vote for Daigotsu, but you can't claim it as a reason for not voting for him at the time, not if you're going to similarly claim that you didn't expect Paneki to rise from his grave.

I don't think you're an evil person. I just think claiming that 'we sacrificed Paneki so no other clan would lose a champion' is crap, given that Scorpion had the chance to deal with one of the biggest bads the Shadowlands has ever produced, which, in magical samurai land, is their job. It reminds me of some Scorpion (very few) who, at the end of the Race were saying 'just as planned, we MEANT to lose to the Dragon!', which is also crap.

There, I hope my line of thinking's a bit more clear.

[Soshi Kenpachi]

but now, in your post right above me, you're saying Daigotsu coming back as a zombie is why you weren't voting for him to die? .

Plot Armor. He was killed in Gold, almost killed in Diamond, I skipped Lotus, managed to sneak thousands of Tainted Samurai into Rokugan in Samurai, and now has stared down the Ebon Daughter. At what point would anyone assume a player choice is going to actually kill him? I goes to a DECADE of experience that any attacks on Daigotsu would bounce off his plot armor and fizzle... because that's what generally happens with Big D. On top of that, he's Shadowlands Tainted. So if the swine flu had killed him, it goes to logic that he'd come back as undead and continue his work unabated. Knowing now that he'd have been a plague zombie doesn't much change the opinion I held then: if Daigotsu had died, he would've come back and nothing would've changed. My original logic stands.

This is all I've got, though. This is a boring conversation at this point.

[MonkeyMcdermott]

Yeah, conversations tend to get dull once someone points out how full of shit your arguments are.

[Yasuki Kanosei]

Gotta agree with CrimsonEyes here. When I saw that, I thought that Daigotsu would get picked for it. Wasn't sure if it'd do anything, except maybe make him having another kid pretty gross, but it'd have been hilarious if the Dark Lord of the Shadowlands had been made Kali-Ma's bitch, just sayin'.

[CrimsonEyes]

I was positive Daigotsu was going to die from the Plague vote. I raged a bit in the beginning about the lameness of unpopularity contests given my chosen faction, went through the seven steps of loss, then Case told me after he got back from GenCon that Paneki had more votes than anyone else combined.

And I rejoiced. Given the amount of Jade Handers and general dislike for Spider, and especially Daigotsu, I had no hopes whatsoever on him living out that vote. Scorpion did Spider a huge favor, one I honestly feel they shouldn't have done for us, and one they're really not going to get much thanks for.

I think some of the disdain Scorpion are getting right now comes from the 'you voted for your own Champion' backlash, but I think a good amount of it is also 'dammit, that could have been Daigotsu dying!'.

[Yasuki Kanosei]

To be fair, there was no knowledge that Daigotsu would stay *dead* if he had been picked. The man has more lives than a cat, and anyway, death is merely a nuisance if you're a Spider.

[MonkeyMcdermott]

Apparently there was no guarantee anyone would stay dead.


Since it was a zombie plague and all.

[Yasuki Kanosei]

That's true. Thinking about it, why vote for Daigotsu then? You know he'll be back as a zombie, and there was no sign that it'd change anything radically.

[Bryan Reese]

and anyway, death is merely a nuisance if you're a Spider.

How much more could I have accomplished if I had not spent those six hours dead?

[Yasuki Kanosei]

Eh, well, if Daigotsu got the Zombie Plague, all I'd really see is that his son would be an only child. Or not, depending on whether if Spider are into necrophilia. Considering their vies on the dead...