CC Honor Tactitian Court

[Hero123]

Here is my most recent adventure into building a pure honor deck. the main focus of this build is to get out courtiers, play sacrificing pawns and either deadlock the enemy by killing there best people or getting out 3 tojikana and iemasa. it was an just a coincidence that in building with courtiers, a decent dishonor sub-theme emerged to fight other honor runners. let me know what you think.

1 Carpenter Castle

Dynasty (40)

Events (3)
1 Boastful Proclamation
1 Imperial Gift
1 Gaining Advantage-get sacrificing

Celestials (1)
1 Hotei's Contentment

Holdings (16)
3 Colonial Harbor
3 Iron Mine
3 Indomitable Home
3 Fortifications
3 Governor's Court-took out 2 den of iniquity and a seekers temple.
1 Traveling Peddler

Personalities (20)
1 Kaiu Iemasa
1 Kaiu Kawachi-just needed a tactician with 3ph
3 Kaiu Tojikana
3 Kaiu Watsuki
1 Hida Kisada
1 Hida Fubatsu - exp
3 Yasuki Jekku
1 Yasuki Jinn-Kuen - exp2
3 Yasuki Makoto
3 Otomo Demiyah

Fate (40)

Strategies (35)
3 Desperate Mediation
3 Wall of Honor
3 Re-fortification
3 Siege Volley
1 Besieged
2 Dismissing the Cur-i worried about putting a courtier only battle action in the deck, but i figure it is good enough to risk the chance that it might be a dead card.
2 The Empress' Address-i only go to battle to use the sh ranged and then try to run and then boost PS to critical levels. this helps
3 Plans Within Plans
3 Sacrifice of Pawns
3 Banish All Doubt-great card for thinning the deck.
3 Favors
1 A Game of Dice
2 Tell the Tale/Rhetoric-unsure how much i want to meta honor decks. tell the tale is preferred against military
3 Accidental Confession-looking for a good control based open...against a honor deck i am not confident that i can have good favor control...

Items (3)
3 Pearl of Embers

Rings (2)
1 Ring of the Void
1 Ring of Earth

[Yasuki Yamakori]

Very similar to what I wanted to make to try out CC hnour.

Let me know how it goes.

You definitely need Governors Court though.

[Hero123]

gov court is a great card! thanks. i think i will take out den of iniquity for it... the honor loss is nice but i'm not sure i have enough dishonor to make it even worth it.

[HidaHayabusa]

In a manner this is what I am trying right now. It's a military deck with 9 courtiers and 6 courtier actions. I am still tweaking this against real opponents but it does have some very nice games. The bad thing that I have noticed is that running CC makes your strategy slow, and the need to stay in battle and play your battle actions or win battles with the people you pay 8-9g, will need attachments.

Here is my version for reference:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=6977

[Hero123]

hmm, I guess i could try to combine this with my honor gaining followers idea.... the cogs are turning. thanks for the input.

[Hida Cooper]

I guess there isn't much reason for me to copy/paste what I said on your other thread since I thought that was the deck you were building last time.

I don't like Sacrifice of Pawns. Your courtiers are all useful (except Demiyah) but they are the only ones that can bow for Governor's Court and Rhetoric. I can't see many circumstances you'd want to blow them up.

If you want any chance against other honor decks, you MUST have Rhetoric. It is a 6-8 honor swing in a single card.

Your honor starts too low for Accidental Confession to not be dead for the first 3 turns of the game and your courtiers want to bow for things other than the favor.

I only like The Empress's Address if you play Great Sacrifice and blow up 5F/3PH dudes to kill 9F units and bring them back for 2 Honor.

Most of my suggestions for those slots are in your other thread.

[HidaHayabusa]

That's true. I guess Crabs like stuff that can be played in attack also. This is why I never like Empress Address.

[Hero123]

I guess there isn't much reason for me to copy/paste what I said on your other thread since I thought that was the deck you were building last time.

I don't like Sacrifice of Pawns. Your courtiers are all useful (except Demiyah) but they are the only ones that can bow for Governor's Court and Rhetoric. I can't see many circumstances you'd want to blow them up.

If you want any chance against other honor decks, you MUST have Rhetoric. It is a 6-8 honor swing in a single card.

Your honor starts too low for Accidental Confession to not be dead for the first 3 turns of the game and your courtiers want to bow for things other than the favor.

I only like The Empress's Address if you play Great Sacrifice and blow up 5F/3PH dudes to kill 9F units and bring them back for 2 Honor.

Most of my suggestions for those slots are in your other thread.

Sacrificing Pawns has been awesome for me. the key to having a chance against military or even honor is having out Iemasa and Tojikanas. together they can gain 9 honor a turn. They are the focus of the deck. the courtiers are just a means to an end, especially Demiyah. i have no qualms about killing Makoto or Jekku for the gaining of the honor machines. On top of that, i can target there best personality and if they kill them, its even better for me.

That being said, is there a better way to get out Iemasa or Tojikana? or is there a way that i can gain the 3-9 honor a turn as consistently as them by keeping the courtiers alive? either that or is there some other trade off that i haven't considered?

As for rhetoric, i do see that it is important but... the military player in me doesn't like rhetoric. i think i will add it though maybe in just 2x for now.

As for accidental confession, i too dislike the fact that this card will be dead against other honor or even dishonor players. however, if i am running rhetoric which is dead for military, then i think i should also run accidental which is best for military. that way i can just flush either rhetoric or accidental and have the best of both worlds. maybe i will knock down rhetoric and accidental to 2x each.

As for The Empress's Address, I'm surprised that everyone dislikes it. basically it is feign death for courtiers. i can defend, get off 1 action, (unless they have sneak) and then i gain 2 honor and lose nothing at all. what would you guys recommend in its place?

[Hida Zyvuun]

Nice thing about Tactician is that no card is ever truly dead in your hand.

[HidaHayabusa]

As for The Empress's Address, I'm surprised that everyone dislikes it. basically it is feign death for courtiers. i can defend, get off 1 action, (unless they have sneak) and then i gain 2 honor and lose nothing at all. what would you guys recommend in its place?

You oversimplify it. Would you play a card that had a restriction of being played ONLY in defense?